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exsequar ([personal profile] exsequar) wrote2005-05-15 12:17 am

Video critique

This is a video critique for the very cool thing going on over at [livejournal.com profile] vidding.

Video: The Other Man (song by Sloan)
Vidder: [livejournal.com profile] paraka
Fandom: Queer as Folk
Subject: Ethan/Brian/Justin triangle, Ethan POV

I was quite excited when I saw that I had been assigned one of paraka’s vids to critique; I love her QaF vids and thought this would be a lot of fun. I was a little surprised when I found out that it was a vid centered on Ethan (having hoped it would be a BJ vid) but then realized it would be a nice challenge, and force me to look closer at the Justin/Ethan storyline (which, to be honest, I don’t know very well since I saw it once, got to 308 and never looked back). Therefore, I don’t know the precise context of some of the clips, which might affect some of my thematic interpretations, but I know it well enough to take a stab. I’ve never done a video critique before, so I hope that I have helpful things to say!

General Impressions/Comments
The song choice was quite appropriate; though some lines did not fit the storyline perfectly, it’s obviously ridiculous to expect a perfect match between any song and vidding subject. You did a good job of painting Brian as Ethan would see him; I actually felt like I was looking at Brian from a distance, without knowledge of his inner workings (which I usually have) and that’s quite a feat. One thing I would say is that the vid could have benefited from inclusion of some other points of view; that is, on lines like “no one’s rooting for me” or “everyone despises,” other characters like Daphne and Michael could have been brought in to demonstrate this aspect of the situation I do understand, however, why you chose to keep the vid specifically focused on the triangle, because that is, after all, the subject you are exploring. A couple of other quibbles I had involved a few too many talky faces (which I also understand – sometimes you just *have* to use a scene for thematic purposes, but they’re talking all the way through it!) and also a few clips that ran too long, and could have been shortened with the insertion of another clip for better suitability to the lyrics. I’ll talk more about that later. Overall this is a very good examination of the Justin/Ethan period as Ethan himself would see it. The tone is slightly cocky, which is definitely very Ethan, because he takes whatever he wants (in this case, Justin) and the consequences are “none of his concern”.

Step by Step
The beginning effect is very effective (pun not intended) as it slides into the vid in sync with the sliding down music. It softens the beginning, whereas some vids have very harsh beginnings that feel abrupt and unsettling.
00:00 – 00:32 – I liked that you began with the scene where Brian gives Justin his “birthday present” (we all know how Justin felt about that). It’s an appropriate introduction, as it shows Justin’s own unhappiness with his current situation and opens the door for Ethan’s insinuation into his life. It also sets up the opening line “You know he’s not the one for you.” Although we know this isn’t true (Brian and Justin love each other, clearly) at this point that is certainly what Justin was feeling. Technically speaking, I love the timing of the quick zoom out and Brian putting his hand over Justin’s eyes. The bass part begins and you cut to another part of the same scene – Justin getting very happy and bouncy, and the extra movement fits well with the new sound. The timing of Brian slowly lifting his hand is also very well done. The timing of the cut from the “present” back to Brian and Justin feels a bit awkward, and not quite on a beat like the previous cuts had been. I would have cut Ethan in a little bit sooner, on the word “mine” instead of after it, to make the POV very clear.
00:33 – 00:56 – The introduction of Ethan playing his violin is very appropriate, as that is what defines him. I love the association of the lyric “I’ve crossed the line” with handing Justin the CD because that really was where Ethan initiated a slightly more intimate tone to their relationship. It also contrasts brilliantly with the beginning of the vid: Brian gave Justin an unsatisfactory gift, while Ethan gives Justin a gift that he loves. Brian holding the flowers for “man in the picture” is very nice, because it works on two levels – superficially, Brian is Justin’s partner, symbolized traditionally by flowers, but at the same time our knowledge that Brian does *not* buy the flowers emphasizes Justin’s unhappiness and need for something more that is satisfied by Ethan. Justin and Ethan talking and smiling juxtaposes very firmly with the following clip, Brian and Justin pre-219 kiss, because both of them look very intense and there is certainly an undercurrent of sadness, and it just contrasts the nature of the two relationships at the time. The slowly circling camera goes well with the music at that point.
00:57 – 1:13 – I think more could have been done with this chorus. Ethan landing a big one on Justin right on the climactic “other man” works very well, but on the next line (“no one’s rooting for me”) the kiss could have been cut to maybe Daphne when all three of them are having lunch and she looks none too pleased. I do like that it moves to Michael’s shocked/somewhat angry expression on “nature will abhor me” – I felt that this would have been a good theme to perpetuate, and it was a little strange that it only occurred once (that is, the inclusion of an external point of view negative towards Ethan).
1:14 – 1:23 – I like that this musical interlude goes back to Justin, alone, looking despondent. Because after all he is the center of this triangle, the focal point of the conflict, and it is important to focus on that.
1:24 – 1:39 – I like the parallel image of the mask on Ethan and the mask on Brian, . The lyrics also work very well here. “You know I wanna keep my distance, wasn’t happenin anyway.” Is the word “wasn’t” there? It’s very indistinct and I can’t figure it out. But anyways, I’m trying to figure out symbolically what the image combined with the lyrics mean – I think it represents the minimal effort that Ethan might have made to not get involved, but then Justin taking off the mask (i.e. encouraging the relationship, not backing away) brought him into it all. “He knows you’re gonna drift apart and there’s nothing he can say.” This line I think works perfectly with the character of Brian. During this period, Brian refrained from telling Justin what he thought, rather letting Justin make his own decisions – a manifestation of his own insecurity, actually, because he doesn’t believe that Justin could ever truly love him, and he’s giving Justin the room to make that realization himself. In this instance, he’s watching Justin walk away and not making any effort to stop him. The removal of the mask symbolizes the baring of his true feelings, the raw pain that he is feeling coming to the surface just for a moment, and yet his face remains impassive (and gorgeous – sorry, I get distracted :) ) and he doesn’t do anything.
1:40 – 1:47 – This clip is a good choice for “I know he’s a stand-up guy” because we know that Brian just agreed to take Justin to Vermont, so it’s one of his good “relationship” type moments. But for the second half of the lyric “but that’s none of my concern” I feel it would have been better to cut to, perhaps, Ethan walking away with Justin on the sidewalk as Brian watches (why wasn’t that in the vid? It seems like it would be perfect for the theme, did you have a problem getting source material?) or just any instance of Ethan being affectionate with Justin.
1:48 – 2:12 – Good pacing in this section. I don’t have much else to say, as it was mostly just Justin and Ethan getting all mushy, lol. I still think that on lines like “everyone despises” another POV could have been brought in.
2:13 – 2:32 – Okay. This verse confuses the hell out of me. Here are the lyrics I found online:
“He's gonna find out that the rumours are true
Though they are still unbeknownst to you
He'll find out so I'll tell you because
You gotta find out before he does”
Now, if the pronouns are staying consistent with the rest of the song, the first person (Ethan) is saying that Brian is going to find out the rumors are true… okay that makes sense… but the rumors are unbeknownst to Justin? And Ethan will tell them to Justin so Justin can find out before Brian? I thought the rumors were *about* Justin being with Ethan. Unless there are other rumors. The other thing I would think of is that Justin doesn’t know that Brian actually loves him yet. But the song still doesn’t make sense. Oy.
Looking at the clips that you chose, I feel that you didn’t really know what to make of this verse either (I hate when that happens while making a vid!). Michael seems to become the first person for one line, and it’s all very confusing. It’s not your fault, it’s the song. If you do have an interpretation of this section, I’d love to hear it.
2:33 – 2:46 – I liked the column!sex inclusion (and how you cut it), because in that scene Justin was being sad and moody that Brian wasn’t demonstrating affection, so Brian’s decision was to screw his brains out in an unusual position. It represents all that is messed up about their relationship, which is important to Justin’s decision to be with Ethan. Then it is juxtaposed nicely with Justin and Ethan being cute and cuddly, a representation of what Justin *wants* in a relationship. The Brian and Justin fucked-upness is continued with Brian’s pushy kiss and Justin’s rejection.
2:47 – 3:04 – Once again the juxtaposition between the natures of their two relationships is lovely. The two picnics set against each other is very nice.
3:05 – 3:26 – The montage of Ethan playing the violin links nicely to the beginning of the video, when he was introduced with a clip from the same scene that is at the beginning of this segment. Also showing Justin drawing him twice, and just generally being his audience, was a nice thread.
3:27 – 3:39 – The Ethan/Justin upbeat violin montage is contrasted with the end of the rough 219 kiss and Brian and Justin lying in bed, looking sad, as Justin thinks about his betrayal and the fact that that’s probably their last night together. I found the sped up kiss was a little weird and offputting – for a second I couldn’t figure out what was wrong with the clip. But it’s okay, it doesn’t detract significantly at all.
3:40 – End – I think that the choice of Ethan and Justin walking out while Brian watches is a brilliant choice for the end of the video. It links back to the previous section with the masks (which I think is the most thematically weighty of the whole vid) and resolves the conflict that Justin has had throughout the vid by placing him once and for all with Ethan.

Post Close Analysis Observations
The running thread through this video is the conflict of how “happy” Ethan makes Justin with the lack of romantic satisfaction Justin is getting with Brian. The point of view is what makes it unique – usually the “other man” doesn’t get to have his say. In your description of the vid on your site, you said you weren’t sure whether this vid is positive for Ethan or not. And to be honest, I’m not sure either. I am a very avid Brian/Justin shipper, so I clearly regard Ethan negatively. But “hearing” things from his point of view does make me stop and think for a bit. However, the fact that the video ends on Brian, alone, leaves me feeling sympathetic to him over all, even though he is not satisfying Justin. This was a very nicely done video, with a unique concept that I enjoyed viewing and analyzing. Great work :) I hope that my critique was at least somewhat helpful!
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Thanks! Part 1

[personal profile] paraka 2005-05-16 04:35 am (UTC)(link)
Hey! *waves*
A few notes on the vid:
1) I only used episodes from season 2. I didn't want to bring season 3 stuff into it, because for 1. Ethan wasn't really the "otherman" then since Justin was with him, also, that's when Ethan really turned into a slime ball. This also means that no one really knew about Justin and Ethan, so with the exceptions of the scenes in there, I couldn't use the parts where Daphne and others despised him since they didn't know yet.

2) About the whole "you know he's not the one for you but that's no fault of mine", this part obviously could have been better, since my meaning didn't really get across, but at the time when I was making it I actually meant it comeing from Brian not Ethan. That completely throws off the POV, since the rest is from Ethan, but hey this was my first vid with a story line. Under that pretense, you see Justin looking at teh "present" for the "You know he's not the one for you" and then it cuts to Brian shrugging for the "and that's no fault of mine" Not that this explination makes it better, but just so you know. I would also NEVER say that Brian wasn't the one for Justin, why that's sacralige!!! :P

3) Man, you're finding things I hadn't even seen, I like the idea of Ethan giving the right gift, now if only I had thought of that :P

4)57-1:13, as I said before, I was only using the early eps, so that's why I couldn't really carry the theme. I also wasn't all that pleased with this scene, I hate having one scene carry for to long, but I wanted to show that whole "otherman" theme, and them kissing secretly, but being observed fit, it was just long, and I didn't want to cut it up, especially since the bigining and ending fit well. *shrugs* Maybe one day I'll redo the vid.

5)1:14-1:23, yeah I wanted to show that this wasn't easy for Justin, and that he was torn.

6)1:24-1:39 I thought the lyrics were, "but it happened anyways" I'm not sure though I never looked it up. I thought that scene really fit the lyrics, because chronilogically, after Brian had his little lunch with Ethan and Justin walked in, Justin went to see Ethan and he said that he couldn't deal with Justin's shit and sent him away. Next time you see Ethan is that scene, so he couldn't really stay away. And yes, Brian definatly let Justin and himself drift apart, he would never try to stop Justin from leaving.

7) 1:40-1:47 Basically your complaints for this part can be whittled down to the whole "only using 5 eps from season 2" I see where you're coming from, but realy I still stand firm on that decision. I could try and defend not switching to an Ethan scene for the second half by citing lack of clips, or that it was to emphasise his lack of concern over how good Brian was to Justin, but I'm going to be honest with you, it was more likely due to laziness. Also one of my huge flaws as a vidder is that I focus much to much on the technical aspects instead of the story line aspects :-S

8) 1:48-2:12 Wow, that whole despises thing bothers you. :( I'm sorry. I tried to make it look like Ethan realised that he wasn't well liked with the facial expression.


TBC
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Re: Thanks! Part 1

[personal profile] paraka 2005-05-16 04:35 am (UTC)(link)
*stupid word limits for comments* *shakes fist* (sorry for the spamming)

9) 2:13-2:32 Ok, basically here's my side. It wasn't really until my 3rd vid that someone mentioned that you should keep a vid in one POV or at least make clear chages of POV, and like I said, I focus way too much on the technical aspects instead of the POVs, actually most of me rebuttles for the things you've mentioned could be better lie in the POV (or in the fact that I didn't use season 3 material, but that's a seperate matter). Basically what I did for this scene was fit scenes as best I could to the song. Obviously the part at the diner is when *everyone* finds out the truth for sure. The next part in Mikey's comic book store was to show that Justin didn't realize that there were rumors flying. The next part is of Mikey telling Brian what he saw, and then Brian absorbing that info. It doesn't work with the POV but as you said, with those lyrics it would be really hard to keep it.

10) 2:33-2:46 *nods*

11) 2:47-3:04 it shows the difference and I kind of thought it fit the words too, the despise me, and Brian is scoffing at the ideas that Ethan has put into Justin's head, scoffing at the very characteristics of "the otherman" that is drawing Justin away from Brian to Ethan.

12) 3:05-3:26 umm, that was basically filler on my part, but I'm glad you think it worked :)

13) 3:27-3:39 I put those scenes in becasue the lyrics are supposed to imply regret at the end, and I do think that Justin regretted those times. He didn't enjoy being left on teh floor, he hated that he was rejected by Brian, and then Ethan in turn and had to go crawling back to Brian. As for the speeding up of the clip, I had to, if I had left it at the normal speed you wouldn't have gotten the whole picture, and they were just too slow. Although, I had sort of forgotten I had done that, it didn't really look off to me....

14) 3:40-end I agree, I don't think there could have been another clip to end it with. It's also segnificant because not only is it the end of the vid, but it's also the point when all of the decite is over, and Ethan is no longer the "otherman" but the Boyfriend instead. The cheating is over too.

15) Completely off topic, have you seen the actual music vid for this song? In it Sloan is the otherman, and the girl he's wooing is a violin player :P Unrelated, but funny none the less.

16) I'm also an avid B/J shipper, I love Ethan, but purely as a plot device, I love how he tore those two apart so that they could go back to being together, but this time with some of thier shit out in the air. I think Ethan made thier relationship stronger in many ways, so I can't really hate the little fucker. But I think he turned into a major sleaze ball come season 3; cheating and lying to Justin, while being so superficially romantic. The song is taken from the POV of the otherman, so really it's there to sympathize with thier plight, I feel that had I brought season 3 footage into the vid, it really would have reminded the watcher of how it ended. Season 2 though held a lot more promise. I mean before season 3 came out B/Jers could only complain that Ethan broke B and J up and was a bit arrogant, but they didn't have much else to complain about him. I wanted Ethan to be a seen in that pure light. I don't know, I may be trying to justifiy my episode choice a bit too much.

17) In my really, really long comment here, I've kind of tried to justify the mistakes you've pointed out, I woudl just like to say, thank you so much for doing so. Like I said this was my second vid (man I'm glad I choose an early one so I could have that excuse :P) and I hadn't really given much thought to the POV so it's really helpfull to see it as other people do.

Thanks so much for doing this, I'm glad over all you liked the vid. :)

[identity profile] theaeblackthorn.livejournal.com 2005-05-16 01:44 pm (UTC)(link)
*blinks at the vidders and goes back to iconing*

Re: Thanks! Part 1

[identity profile] exsequar.livejournal.com 2005-05-16 09:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Thanks for replying in so much depth to my comments! I'm glad you read them and took the time to respond to my concerns :)

I wish I had known that you had only chosen those few episodes, specifically, to work with. I probably should have picked up on that, but, doh, I didn't. That's kinda my fault, not yours. And knowing that, a lot of the choices you made are a lot clearer to me. Thanks for explaining that.

Also, reading what you have to say, I more greatly appreciate the difficulties of a POV vid - I, myself, have only completed one vid, and that wasn't really POV. The main lyric was "I'll be there for you" and I basically just switched back and forth between the members of the pairing I used. I am in the process of a POV vid right now, though, and I am starting to understand how difficult it must be to juggle all the different considerations - lyrical appropriateness, musical timing, AND consistent POV considerations. You did very well when all that is taken into account!

I did like the vid, quite a bit. I came at it from a pretty biased point of view, but it worked quite well. You're welcome! This was a fun exercise for me :)
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Re: Thanks! Part 1

[personal profile] paraka 2005-05-18 11:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Of course I read and responded to it, that's the whole point of this!

And yeah the episode thing really did come into play for the vid, but really a lot of people block out *Ian* so I can't blame you for not noticing. :)

Thanks again for doing it. :)