Wow. Well. I haven't read much of the tai side of things (outside of william calling chiz the fifth point of the five point creative star). I wonder if Tom had fought for more creative input he would have been granted it? Or if there was some inherant personality conflict.
It's interesting because onstage Tom and Bill are electric, but musically Bill and Chiz write amazing things (40 Steps).
Who knows. But really are any bands really puppies and rainbows?
Also, re: ironic love spectrum: i have to think some more about it. For me I think it's less "is my love for them ironic" and more "do i think they are self-aware about their own ridiculousness" Like, Gabe is clearly working from a place of humor and self-referential ridiculousness and so i am able to appreciate him in his ridiculousness. Ryan does not always strike me as so self-aware (though sometimes he is forsure). It's not that I don't find him compelling, but my feelings for him are more complex. Bill Beckett strikes me as aware of himself as a caricature about 70% of the time. During those moments I love him unreservedly. The other 30% make me want to pat him on the head and say "oh bill"
i can't put people on an ironic - unironic axis. I need other axes as well self aware - unaware; pretentious - genuine; earnest - sarcastic.
all these things factor in to my different loves.
(there are several people that I love truly and deeply and without complication or analysis. Brendon Urie. Pretty much everyone in MCR now that Ive watched LOTMS (yay for having a fangirl night with folks who had it. I was DYING waiting for my turn at the library))
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Date: 2007-10-16 08:06 am (UTC)It's interesting because onstage Tom and Bill are electric, but musically Bill and Chiz write amazing things (40 Steps).
Who knows. But really are any bands really puppies and rainbows?
Also, re: ironic love spectrum: i have to think some more about it. For me I think it's less "is my love for them ironic" and more "do i think they are self-aware about their own ridiculousness" Like, Gabe is clearly working from a place of humor and self-referential ridiculousness and so i am able to appreciate him in his ridiculousness. Ryan does not always strike me as so self-aware (though sometimes he is forsure). It's not that I don't find him compelling, but my feelings for him are more complex. Bill Beckett strikes me as aware of himself as a caricature about 70% of the time. During those moments I love him unreservedly. The other 30% make me want to pat him on the head and say "oh bill"
i can't put people on an ironic - unironic axis. I need other axes as well self aware - unaware; pretentious - genuine; earnest - sarcastic.
all these things factor in to my different loves.
(there are several people that I love truly and deeply and without complication or analysis. Brendon Urie. Pretty much everyone in MCR now that Ive watched LOTMS (yay for having a fangirl night with folks who had it. I was DYING waiting for my turn at the library))